Fire in the Water, Earth in the Air: Legends
of West Texas Music
"Indeed, Oglesby's introduction of more
than two dozen musicians who called Lubbock home should be required
reading not only for music fans, but for Lubbock residents and
anyone thinking about moving here. On these pages, music becomes
a part of Lubbock's living history."
Chris Oglesby Interviews
Chris: The way Im tryin to approach this story is by telling the stories of all these musical, creative people from Lubbock. Because when I bring the subject up, people are always saying to me, "You cant really explain Lubbock unless you live there, cause its such a weird place." So it's an attempt to answer that question of "Whats Up with Lubbock? Whats up with all these creative people that keep coming out of there?" Explaining this Lubbock phenomenon through their stories, in a narrative way.
Yea. Its so interesting. Today
I kept thinking of
that: You mentioned Thomas Wolfe earlier, and I was thinking
of You Can't Go Home Again. I was thinking of that in
terms of talkin to you today, and I was thinking, "But
you do, over and over and over." Because its your
heart. And its everything that made you, and that you
Its a very strange I just did this play in Lubbock, and it was a such an unbelievable experience for me; To go back and do a play, where its the first auto-biographical piece Ive done in twenty years that had some information about myself in it. Talked about my childhood.
I did it in Lubbock, and my aunts and uncles didnt come. I have a lot of first cousins. They didnt come. Well, one cousin came and one aunt and uncle came But I have tons of relatives there!
And I was tryin to figger
"These are people who really do care about me. Theyre
people that would wanta have lunch with me, and dinner
with me, and come visit." I was thinking about "What
that really was all about?"
I kept thinkin about it. And I kept thinking, "Im really have left more than I ever knew.
Chris: I just cant even imagine that.
JHA: I started thinking, the deal is that they didnt understand that that would be important to me to have them there; More than them saying, "Well, I wouldnt like it," or anything. I think they didnt even understand that because I care about them and because theyre so much a part of my life that I would want them to share that.
And I started thinkin: That its really a very strange thing that we all run away and do somethin that we really dont have the support for at home. Its all so foreign to anyone who stays there in Lubbock...That they dont really even understand it, yknow?
[Sighs] When you said that they didnt understand it was
important to you?
JHA: I think they dont even think about it. I think theyre so removed
Chris: [With disbelief] Just busy with thinking about other things?
No, no, no, no!
I think thats the thing, is theres
just a misunderstanding about what you do when you leave Lubbock.
Its like "Play." Its like you're still
playin. And its playing that gotchu into all
of that; thats true. But I think that they never go past
I remember when I first came back to
Lubbock, when Id come back on trips.
Chris: I wasnt ready for you to make me all sad
JHA: Its just all those kinda things you remember, yknow?
I remember that someone asked me - and
Ill never forget this - was "Terry a queer?"
Chris: Cause he did art.
Yea. Because he was "an artist."
Bukka was sittin on the commode when he was a little boy, and he asked me what "paradox" is. And I said, "Paradox means that, if your soccer coach says nigger one more time, were gonna get his ass fired, and your granddaddy says it every day and we still love em." [Laughs]. I certainly credit knowing "Paradox" because I was raised in Lubbock.
Chris: I think thats the "paradox" Im tryin to explain, and the only way to explain it is by talkin about these people from Lubbocks story, yknow?
Yea! Because the very essence of "What I do," I got
from that "story-tellin tradition."
The paradox of that is: That it was
such a rich heritage for story-telling and for gaining knowledge
in another way. Its just amazing!
I really think everything I did as a kid propelled me into what I do now.
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